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is that right? >> i think it's premature in the sense in 1980 ronald reagan was running a bad campaign by lots of standards. he made a comment that trees pollute and that didn't go over well. he did say that. i'm serious. he made lots of other gaffes, but he went on to be president beating carter by quite a bit. i think romney is looking for a message. he produced a huge number of ads looking for something. maybe something comes out of the debate. this electorate is pretty hardened, and obama should be up by a point or two given the economy. that's where we are. so romney has not run a great campaign so far, but maybe this debate provides a springboard. we'll see. >> we will see. john gear, thank you very much. >> thank you. >> all the focus is on the candidates this month. october is also important for another reason. it's got something to do with this. >> we can handle gimpy and the at that rant at that heads, because our invitation was not based on barf and mike and molly as part of the crew. >>
is that right? >> i think it's premature in the sense in 1980 ronald reagan was running a bad campaign by lots of standards. he made a comment that trees pollute and that didn't go over well. he did say that. i'm serious. he made lots of other gaffes, but he went on to be president beating carter by quite a bit. i think romney is looking for a message. he produced a huge number of ads looking for something. maybe something comes out of the debate. this electorate is pretty hardened, and...
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he's ridiculing mitt romney right now. let's listen in. >> don't want what he's been selling over the last year. governor romney may dance around his positions. he may do a tap dance and a two-step, but if you want to be president, then you owe the american people the truth. so here's the truth. governor romney cannot pay for his $5 trillion tax plan without blowing up the deficit or sticking it to the middle class. we can't afford to go down that road again. we can't afford another round of budget busting tax cuts for the wealthy. we can't afford to gut our investments in education or clean energy or research or technology. we can't afford to roll back regulations on wall street banks or oil companies or insurance companies. we can't afford to double down on the same topdown economic policies that got us into this mess. that is not a jobs plan. it's not a plan for our economy. it's not a plan to strengthened middle class. it is not change. it is a relapse. and we're not going to do it. we have been there. we have tried th
he's ridiculing mitt romney right now. let's listen in. >> don't want what he's been selling over the last year. governor romney may dance around his positions. he may do a tap dance and a two-step, but if you want to be president, then you owe the american people the truth. so here's the truth. governor romney cannot pay for his $5 trillion tax plan without blowing up the deficit or sticking it to the middle class. we can't afford to go down that road again. we can't afford another round...
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would get unemployment lower than it is. >> he said right now we would be at 5.4% unemployment. >> romney pounded joe biden for stating the administration' goal on a trillion dollar tax hike on those making more than 200,000 a year or family 250,000. >> people in the middle class has been squeezed or buried as the vice-president said. and romney's remarks, inelegant. 47%, he renounced it once and for all. >> completely wrong and i absolutely believe, however, that my life has shown that i care about 100%. >> and hoped with those remarks, romney would lay those to rest and close the door on that. to prevent that the democrats were pumping out attack ads to keep it very much. >> bret: carl cameron, on your last point, almost everyone talking about wednesday's debate says mitt romney did pretty well or won, but how he won, that's the question, as carl mentioned, that has entered the post debate spin cycle. >> governor romney may dance around his positions, but if you want to be president, you owe the american people the truth. >> stretching the truth or worse, that's how mitt romney won the
would get unemployment lower than it is. >> he said right now we would be at 5.4% unemployment. >> romney pounded joe biden for stating the administration' goal on a trillion dollar tax hike on those making more than 200,000 a year or family 250,000. >> people in the middle class has been squeezed or buried as the vice-president said. and romney's remarks, inelegant. 47%, he renounced it once and for all. >> completely wrong and i absolutely believe, however, that my...
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the problem mitt romney is going to have, he has to come at foreign policy from the left and right. that's tricky. from the right, he needs to talk about obama's policy of open hands versus clenched fists, have seen deterioration with relationships with russia, iran, syria, soft diplomacy has not restored our image in the world and it was probably a fool's errand to begin with. from the left, he needs to remind liberals why they fell in love with obama in the first place. a guy who promised transparency, due process, and yes, soft diplomacy. now we're in libya illegally some have argued, our drone policy has sovereign implications, assassinated american citizens, invoked the espionage act, we've leaked national security -- i mean a lot of reasons why liberals hated bush. if they were honest with themselves, they would talk about this administration as well. so it's tricky for any republican to talk about these liberal criticisms and look genuine, but that's what i would advice romney to do. not a chest thumping pro america hawkish foreign policy speech but rightly pointing out the b
the problem mitt romney is going to have, he has to come at foreign policy from the left and right. that's tricky. from the right, he needs to talk about obama's policy of open hands versus clenched fists, have seen deterioration with relationships with russia, iran, syria, soft diplomacy has not restored our image in the world and it was probably a fool's errand to begin with. from the left, he needs to remind liberals why they fell in love with obama in the first place. a guy who promised...
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the right wing romney from the primary fight is no more. this week the etch-a-sketch came alive. the former governor championed centrist principles and got away with it. he keeps this act up. michael steele is a former chair of the rnc as well as an msnbc political analyst and cynthia tucker is a syndicated columnist. thank you. michael, there's on old tradition in politics, you go to your fringe or hard left or hard right to win the primaries and caucuses, and then you start to move slowly so by labor day you're ready to confront the enemy at the center. he didn't do it like that. he stayed right all the way through the summer and maybe masterfully wednesday decided to go with i'm for the 100%. i'm for pre-existing condition coverage, for all this education, all this good stuff. >> i think part of that -- you're right in your analysis, that's exactly what happens politically. i think for the romney campaign they took that strategy, elongated it because they had some shoring up to do with their base. >> can he pull it off? can you make that kind of switcheroo in september? >> i t
the right wing romney from the primary fight is no more. this week the etch-a-sketch came alive. the former governor championed centrist principles and got away with it. he keeps this act up. michael steele is a former chair of the rnc as well as an msnbc political analyst and cynthia tucker is a syndicated columnist. thank you. michael, there's on old tradition in politics, you go to your fringe or hard left or hard right to win the primaries and caucuses, and then you start to move slowly so...
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. >> i think the romney campaign thinks it can wait that long, at least some people in the romney campaign, think it can wait, and want to do his foreign policy right before that debate, so there's some bringing together of these arguments. i think the time is now. you had governor romney asked about this last week on his plane. you know, how has the administration handled it? he said, look, it's too early to judge it. that's not the right answer. they've handled it incorrectly. basically everybody across the political spectrum thinks they've handled it incorrectly. i wouldn't leave it to the super pacs to do my work for me. this is exactly the type of ads that conservatives are looking for. >> it appears the romney campaign got brushed back because of the criticism. >> greta: you mean they got gun-shy? >> exactly. as the folks began to show that the obama administration's story was not holding up, that there were serious problems with security there, and perhaps in other places around the world, they didn't jump on it. and, you know, if you wait until when the foreign policy debate is sch
. >> i think the romney campaign thinks it can wait that long, at least some people in the romney campaign, think it can wait, and want to do his foreign policy right before that debate, so there's some bringing together of these arguments. i think the time is now. you had governor romney asked about this last week on his plane. you know, how has the administration handled it? he said, look, it's too early to judge it. that's not the right answer. they've handled it incorrectly. basically...
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i think mitt romney needs this to be that catalyst. >> okay. are you just trying to be right here? when you say they're both right it makes me think you're trying to hedge a bet here. one person said that there is not a make or break moment or they don't expect and that was paul ryan. chris christie said the next day, thursday, will be romney's time to shine because we will all be talking about how he basically hit it out of the park? >> well, you know, chris christie has a babe ruth in him, likes to point to the outfield and put mustache on the hot dog. i don't know that mitt romney is capable of one. but what mitt romney needs to do is begin a real conversation that's months overdue with the american people about why his presidency would be superior for the next four years and this is his last best chance to open and begin a conversation that's three months overdue. >> so michael, let me bring you in. "the washington post" asked folks who will win the debate. 55% said president obama, 31% said mitt romney. what do you think they're basing that on? >> i think they're basing it on
i think mitt romney needs this to be that catalyst. >> okay. are you just trying to be right here? when you say they're both right it makes me think you're trying to hedge a bet here. one person said that there is not a make or break moment or they don't expect and that was paul ryan. chris christie said the next day, thursday, will be romney's time to shine because we will all be talking about how he basically hit it out of the park? >> well, you know, chris christie has a babe...
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hilary's right. he was shocked at all this new romney stuff. he still could have listened. he still could have reacted to some of what mitt romney said. >> he said something about needs to get a better accountant. >> he absolutely said your math doesn't add up. you're going to cut taxes by 20%. he said, no, i'm not going to cut any taxes but i'm going to cut taxes for the people who pay them by 20% and then i'm going to find them money through these loopholes. which loopholes? there's a thousand tax credits and loopholes. he didn't name one. not one. >> no, but one thing we know is -- >> what he proposed was a general cap on the number of loopholes you can claim, which is actually a totally reasonable way to do tax reform. it gets you out of the problem of sort of litigating each and every loop. >> arguing about substance. why? >> here is something that the president clearly did which was he said, all right, mitt romney's going to go out and do this. in many ways mitt romney just made the next three weeks for himself miserable. >> oh, sure. totally. he's going to be sitting
hilary's right. he was shocked at all this new romney stuff. he still could have listened. he still could have reacted to some of what mitt romney said. >> he said something about needs to get a better accountant. >> he absolutely said your math doesn't add up. you're going to cut taxes by 20%. he said, no, i'm not going to cut any taxes but i'm going to cut taxes for the people who pay them by 20% and then i'm going to find them money through these loopholes. which loopholes?...
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. >> right now there's a romney strategist rushing a memo to mr. romney in his prep room saying, the liberals on msnbc say -- we'll see if they take this. we've got to take a quick break. tonight is probably as big as it gets in terms of the persuadable audience watching tonight to make up their mind between these two candidates. it may not get bigger than it is tonight. we have nbc's chuck today straight ahead with the latest numbers. we've got a lot to get to. this is msnbc's live coverage of the first presidential debate. >> i want you to know that, also, i will not make age an issue of this campaign. i am not going to exploit for political purposes my opponent's youth and inexperience. [ male announcer ] wouldn't it be cool if we took the nissan altima and reimagined nearly everything in it? gave it greater horsepower and best in class 38 mpg highway... advanced headlights... and zero gravity seats? yeah, that would be cool. ♪ introducing the completely reimagined nissan altima. it's our most innovative altima ever. nissan. innovation that ex
. >> right now there's a romney strategist rushing a memo to mr. romney in his prep room saying, the liberals on msnbc say -- we'll see if they take this. we've got to take a quick break. tonight is probably as big as it gets in terms of the persuadable audience watching tonight to make up their mind between these two candidates. it may not get bigger than it is tonight. we have nbc's chuck today straight ahead with the latest numbers. we've got a lot to get to. this is msnbc's live...
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but governor romney's stepped in here wednesday. you are exactly right. since thursday, friday, saturday, i have to think that the early voting going on then is tremendously to governor romney's benefit. you are right. but it -- we will find out on tuesday or something like that and next week. but this suggests one thing governor rom romney has to do, they have to keep their foot on the accelerator. he had a terrific victory. but i wouldn't rest at all. looking forward to this thing, next week, next thursday night. that's going to be important. the second debate will be important. i heard someone say, governor romney, really, obama should be favored. he's good at that format, moving around. but how does he attack romney? they will tell him to do it. they are talking about bain capital, that reduce it's. >> greta: i thought he was smart not to do that -- he wants to look presidential. he doesn't want his fingerprints on petty and going after someone. i think it is same is true of governor romney, vis-a-vis president obama. they can flood the market with th
but governor romney's stepped in here wednesday. you are exactly right. since thursday, friday, saturday, i have to think that the early voting going on then is tremendously to governor romney's benefit. you are right. but it -- we will find out on tuesday or something like that and next week. but this suggests one thing governor rom romney has to do, they have to keep their foot on the accelerator. he had a terrific victory. but i wouldn't rest at all. looking forward to this thing, next week,...
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i have talketo several of my right wingriends who when romney's tape came out said i wish romney talked like this more often they are able to say thi cae they never lived on government assistance. they he lived on corporate welfare, but tn't hey doe that as the se thing. for people who have lived on government assistance, it can be a soul-crushing thing. for stance, unemployment. i've been on unempyment. othepe debilitating feeling to know you're not contributing at that moment. anthe idea that that's your preferd state of being just shows the lack of understanding th people like romney and ryan have for people who are that situation. an that enables them to provide for their family rather than feeling like ty are some type of leech. it's doubly insulting en ty are then told on this onal stage, hey, you're in rough me in ur life. nolyre you in a rough time, but you' a leech on societ >> the phrasing, they are not exact parallel phrasin but romney saying es cannot be persuaded to take responsibility for their liv. and ryan saying they do t believe the american dream. similar parall langu
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right now we're rooting for mitt romney. should mitt romney become president of the united states, watch out. conservatives are watching him very closely. but for now he's their only horse and they got to ride him. >> so many of them don't like -- they hate the president of the united states, so they're willing to stomach some of the more moderate positions. >> absolutely. don't forget, for many of them mitt romney was not their first choice. but right now he's their only choice unless it's president obama. and given that, they'll take mitt romney. >> gloria borger, thanks very much for joining us. jack welsh, former head of general electric calls the new unemployment rate unbelievable. thinks the numbers were manipulated. you're going to hear what the former white house chief economist is saying about that. here's just part of what he has to say. >> jack, i love you, but on this one you've just flat out lost your mind. everyone has goals. take the steps to reach yours, with us with real advice, for real goals. the us bank w
right now we're rooting for mitt romney. should mitt romney become president of the united states, watch out. conservatives are watching him very closely. but for now he's their only horse and they got to ride him. >> so many of them don't like -- they hate the president of the united states, so they're willing to stomach some of the more moderate positions. >> absolutely. don't forget, for many of them mitt romney was not their first choice. but right now he's their only choice...
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so rich people pay less under romney and more under obama. that is the ultimate answer, right? >> the ultimate answer is if either one get their proposals through. and one of the way our economy grows is if rich people have more money, they hire more people. you should not raise taxes when the economy is in trouble. our economy is in more trouble today. the growth rate last week was a pathetic at 1. 2%. >> very much for your time tonight. >> thank you. >> we finally get to the issue that rich people need the money because they create the jobs. i want to bring in ed and al and steve and chris back into this discussion. i want to bring back chris matthews in denver in terms of hearing the republican spin on this. seeing what seems to be real democratic frustration on this. we're hearing already in terms of the different responses. the romney side is proclaiming victory. the obama campaign does not seem to be doing that. chris? >> when you read "the new york times" tomorrow, you'll see a side bar, strong night for romney. i think it's an objective -- it may be theater, but this is
so rich people pay less under romney and more under obama. that is the ultimate answer, right? >> the ultimate answer is if either one get their proposals through. and one of the way our economy grows is if rich people have more money, they hire more people. you should not raise taxes when the economy is in trouble. our economy is in more trouble today. the growth rate last week was a pathetic at 1. 2%. >> very much for your time tonight. >> thank you. >> we finally get...
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what has been the impact -- i think 47% of the line for romney is going to go right through november. >> i think so, too. the poe yet mayo angelou said it best, if people show you who they are, you should believe them. we need to have a president who fights for the middle class and i think that's the clear contrast that we will see on the debate stage tonight. >> what about next week? this could be the battle of the century but next week we have the light heavyweight. you have biden against ryan. what do you think? >> that's going to be a really clear contrast as well. joe biden has fighting for the middle class and for working families for his entire career for more than 30 years and paul ryan dismisses 30% of the country depending on the welfare state. >> joy, that's going to be a battle of generations. joe has been winning elections since he was 29 back in '72. and now he's out there against this guy that's the new kid on the block. how's it going to look? >> i think people are going to underestimate biden. there he is. he's going to do a gaffe and mess up. what you will see up the
what has been the impact -- i think 47% of the line for romney is going to go right through november. >> i think so, too. the poe yet mayo angelou said it best, if people show you who they are, you should believe them. we need to have a president who fights for the middle class and i think that's the clear contrast that we will see on the debate stage tonight. >> what about next week? this could be the battle of the century but next week we have the light heavyweight. you have biden...
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he will come down this corridor right here. up these stairs. to the stage. the president will be introduced first on to the stage. this is where he will go to his podium. governor romney will come from the other side of the stage, will be introduced second. the order of questioning, president obama won the toss. he gets the first question. closing statesments, romney won the toss so he will go last. in this auditorium there are 1 ,500 seats. we don't know how many exact people will be here but we can tell you this. everybody, there will be millions and millions and millions of people tuning in to this debate to see the two men at these two podiums. answer these questions. an talk to each other. "special report" continues after this break. ♪ chances are, you're not made of money, so don't overpay for motorcycle insurance. geico, see how much you could save. >> bret: back outside the richie center, the top human resources official at the veterans administration resigned over another spending scandal. obama administration appointee john sepelveda quit as an i
he will come down this corridor right here. up these stairs. to the stage. the president will be introduced first on to the stage. this is where he will go to his podium. governor romney will come from the other side of the stage, will be introduced second. the order of questioning, president obama won the toss. he gets the first question. closing statesments, romney won the toss so he will go last. in this auditorium there are 1 ,500 seats. we don't know how many exact people will be here but...
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on education, on the right way to fix the deficit. romney's approach is the wrong approach. taxes, on deficit, on wall street reform and medicare on mk. and we think that voters are taking this election very seriously. taking the middle class of the country and i do think the president made very clear that we're rebouning from a recession. we're making progress. but there's no progress to be made and if we go back to trickle down economics which is all romney's offering, that the middle class will be harmed and it's going to marme our economy. >> one last question for you and it is a little bit on the style of this and i realize that you're a policy guy as much as you are a candidate guy but i do have to ask you to be candid on the. was there a deliberate strategy on your part to tell the president to not attack mitt romney? he never talked directly to mitt romney and told him that he was being wrong about things. the one time he got closest to that when he said -- your strategy right now is to say "never mind" about your previous tack plan. that's as close as they got to ta
on education, on the right way to fix the deficit. romney's approach is the wrong approach. taxes, on deficit, on wall street reform and medicare on mk. and we think that voters are taking this election very seriously. taking the middle class of the country and i do think the president made very clear that we're rebouning from a recession. we're making progress. but there's no progress to be made and if we go back to trickle down economics which is all romney's offering, that the middle class...
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in the romney debate senator ted kennedy back in 1994. yeah, you're right. we've seen some reporting on this that, you know, mitt romney is doing a lot of preparation on this for this debate. maybe focussing on zingers and one-liners, and also the campaign says what mitt romney really wants to do on wednesday night where the two candidates showed down and show that choice between what mitt romney would do in the white house over the next four years or what president obama would do if re-elected. >> poeshltyly. nine out of the ten key battleground states. now romney has actually -- he has debated almost 20 times in the primary season. how does he actually change people's impression of him? particularly his likability factor. >> and we've seen that he has a little bit of a deficit, yovrl, when it comes to likability, when it comes to his favorable and unfavorable numbers compared to the president in a lot of these polls. yeah, i think part of -- a little bit of what he is going to try to do is show more of the human face, and we've seen him try to do that on t
in the romney debate senator ted kennedy back in 1994. yeah, you're right. we've seen some reporting on this that, you know, mitt romney is doing a lot of preparation on this for this debate. maybe focussing on zingers and one-liners, and also the campaign says what mitt romney really wants to do on wednesday night where the two candidates showed down and show that choice between what mitt romney would do in the white house over the next four years or what president obama would do if...
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internally, mitt romney's in trouble right now. that can all change on wednesday night. >>> coming up, senator john mccain joins us on set. also, senator chuck schumer, "new york times" columnist frank bruni and tom brokaw. >>> up next, mike allen up next with the top stories in the "politico playbook." first, bill karins with a check on the forecast. >> happy october, everyone. this is the month of change weatherwise, where we start to cool things off in a hurry and start to watch the leaves coming down. as we head through this month, expect a much cooler month than we've had in months past. we're looking at the middle of the country especially with below-average temperatures as we go throughout the first two weeks. now, as far as this morning goes, two big storms on the map. one has been plaguing northern new england all weekend long. the other one has been plaguing the deep south. they're both on the move today. and we are going to watch that rainy weather spreading. also severe storms are possible once again in alabama into geo
internally, mitt romney's in trouble right now. that can all change on wednesday night. >>> coming up, senator john mccain joins us on set. also, senator chuck schumer, "new york times" columnist frank bruni and tom brokaw. >>> up next, mike allen up next with the top stories in the "politico playbook." first, bill karins with a check on the forecast. >> happy october, everyone. this is the month of change weatherwise, where we start to cool things...
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in a bipartisan way. >> right. >> so is that it? it's really just about who he's dealing with and what kind of deals are open there to be struck? >> i wouldn't -- i mean, the mitt romney we saw on wednesday is not the mitt romney we've been seeing on this campaign trail, at all. and you know, the idea that he is going to go to washington and reach across the aisle, there's a congress there that doesn't want to reach across the aisle. they want hip, if he gets elected, to do what they say. and on top of that, he didn't mention his name, but paul ryan would be his vice president. paul ryan is the one, i mean mitt romney says he has a 59-point plan, but paul ryan actually has a budget and it's a budget that goes far and away and is very specific in ways that romney has not been. if he's really this pragmatic guy, then he's going to be forced to do things that naturally he wouldn't want to do. >>> i have read that much. it's way more than 59 points. maggie, in wednesday's debate, one thing i think has been a little bit conflated here, d
in a bipartisan way. >> right. >> so is that it? it's really just about who he's dealing with and what kind of deals are open there to be struck? >> i wouldn't -- i mean, the mitt romney we saw on wednesday is not the mitt romney we've been seeing on this campaign trail, at all. and you know, the idea that he is going to go to washington and reach across the aisle, there's a congress there that doesn't want to reach across the aisle. they want hip, if he gets elected, to do...
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. >> right, right. >> for mitt romney's win. that's aamamazinamazing. >> some colleagues on this channel, i thought msnbc's coverage after this was great last night. i was watching chris matthews. he got there about the same time barack obama did. he didn't have any trouble with energy. >> no. >> he didn't have any trouble. >> he was wired and on top of it. >> speaking our friends at current. we commented on jennifer granholm's exuberance during the speech. if you tuk her exushance and combined it with barack obama's nonexuberance, you could have found a happy balance there. you have the perfect candidate. >> we could morph them. we need a hybrid. >> can we merge those together? >> emotionally mitt is much closer to jennifer on that scale. he seemed caffeinated and on ludes and stuff like that. >> he had a diet coke and maybe two. >> he seemed much more energized than we've seen. >> think of the republican primary debates. it was newt gingrich and rick santorum. he needed to turn it on in the republican primaries, and he did. >>
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. >> and it points to character, right? this was what i was doing, honor, serving my country, this is what you were doing, breaking a law, it's brilliant. >> sean: how about mitt romney versus obama? president obama was hanging out with bill ayers and jeremiah cite. i was here. i'm not allowed to bring that up. >> i wish mitt romney would play like that. >> allen west, they've been dumping all over him, and he blew them away. do not mess with colonels who have not in combat. >> that's true. very true. >> sean: you mentioned something conservatives are saying. they want mitt to be more aggressive. you want it as well. >> yes. i think his campaign has been soft. his ads -- you impair his tads to obama -- compare his ads to obama. obama's ads are tough, well done, and on message. pounding the daylights out of him, and romney's or -- >> sean: i don't get it. i don't know why we're not seeing more pounding by him. do you think it starts next wednesday in colorado? >> sometimes he says positive things about obama. he cares about
. >> and it points to character, right? this was what i was doing, honor, serving my country, this is what you were doing, breaking a law, it's brilliant. >> sean: how about mitt romney versus obama? president obama was hanging out with bill ayers and jeremiah cite. i was here. i'm not allowed to bring that up. >> i wish mitt romney would play like that. >> allen west, they've been dumping all over him, and he blew them away. do not mess with colonels who have not in...
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what was romney doing? he was winning. >> he was winning. >> all right. good morning. it's thursday, october 4th. welcome to "morning joe." wow! page turns a bit. with us on set, we have msnbc contributor mike barnicle and national affairs for "new york" magazine and political analyst john heilemann. and in nashville, i love nashville, pulitzer prize-winning historian jon meacham. meacham. should we go right there? >> in one second. i've -- we've got to set this up first for mike barnicle. we've all been saying the same thing. phone calls coming in last night from my democratic friends, independent friends, republicans, everybody's been asking the same thing, where did this come from? we've never seen this mitt romney before, but you say you have. >> yes, this is how mitt romney became governor of massachusetts in 2002 during a series of debates. he was exactly this way as he was last night. he came in prepared. he had a plan. he executed it. he was armed with specific information. he went right at the opponent. then it was shannon o'brien running for governor against
what was romney doing? he was winning. >> he was winning. >> all right. good morning. it's thursday, october 4th. welcome to "morning joe." wow! page turns a bit. with us on set, we have msnbc contributor mike barnicle and national affairs for "new york" magazine and political analyst john heilemann. and in nashville, i love nashville, pulitzer prize-winning historian jon meacham. meacham. should we go right there? >> in one second. i've -- we've got to set...
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i would go right at the central concern. i would say i would ask, governor, bain capital, which you helped to run, had many successes but it also had many failures. the bering company, the typewriter company, name a list of them. have you ever met, have you ever talked to, do you note names of or anything about the lives of any of the people from those plants that closed as a result of the investments of bain cap signal give me a name, give me a story. >> probably knows the ones the obama campaign ads have mentioned, right? >> probably knows those but those aren't the ones he wants to mention. >> probably doesn't want to bring them up. >> no, probably no. >> no amazing the degree which bain has been a problem for romney. figure this is coming up one way or another, if not from lehrer, certainly obama. i will take my turn, howard, curious what you make of this i would like to hear, i think maybe the most challenging that jim lehrer can ask mitt romney tonight is a simple one. gore nor, tell us one specific policy area where y
i would go right at the central concern. i would say i would ask, governor, bain capital, which you helped to run, had many successes but it also had many failures. the bering company, the typewriter company, name a list of them. have you ever met, have you ever talked to, do you note names of or anything about the lives of any of the people from those plants that closed as a result of the investments of bain cap signal give me a name, give me a story. >> probably knows the ones the obama...
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they're going to try to right the ship on wednesday. but if you look at the numbers, a lot of the damage was done over the summer when the obama campaign decided early on to define mitt romney as a plutokrat, someone out of touch with the main stream and romney doubles down on obama's strategy with this video that came out. so they're in a real situation here and they've got a short time to right it. >> it's offensive if you unpack and think about it. what he's saying is we're all stupid. we don't remember that the polls have shown republicans up a lot. and secondly this idea that people in the media, if their personal views go one way, the product of the reporting goes another way. i don't think there's resonating with the public at all. if you go back to important media failures like the iraq war or the financial crisis, on iraq there may have been a lot of reporters who were personally skeptical but there was a collective media failure in the way they covered it. so the idea that someone's personal views are always going to represent
they're going to try to right the ship on wednesday. but if you look at the numbers, a lot of the damage was done over the summer when the obama campaign decided early on to define mitt romney as a plutokrat, someone out of touch with the main stream and romney doubles down on obama's strategy with this video that came out. so they're in a real situation here and they've got a short time to right it. >> it's offensive if you unpack and think about it. what he's saying is we're all stupid....
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and right now you see the romney campaign, they are trying to make inroads into this constituency, primarily by focusing on small business issues. and i think there's real choice in front of asian american voters right now. what we are seeing in all of our polling is that asian americans are most likely going to vote at levels that are even greater than at 2008, in part because they're more voters within the community and it will be interesting to see how that pans out. >> carthick, you found that obama leads romney 43% to 24%, yet 33% is undecided. that is a huge number, 33%. does that surprise you? >> it doesn't surprise us, because we found a similar proportion in 2008. but it does surprise people who are used to seeing something like 7% or 8% from most polls of the general population in the united states. so the quintessential swing vote is the asian american vote. and as tobey said, this is a vote that is just growing over time. we had 2000 voters, and we anticipate even more as you get the second generation that are entering into voting age and more enthusiasm among asian american vote
and right now you see the romney campaign, they are trying to make inroads into this constituency, primarily by focusing on small business issues. and i think there's real choice in front of asian american voters right now. what we are seeing in all of our polling is that asian americans are most likely going to vote at levels that are even greater than at 2008, in part because they're more voters within the community and it will be interesting to see how that pans out. >> carthick, you...
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mitt romney's got to find precisely the right arm slot. aggression with the right amount of respect for a popular president. he's got to figure out a way to flush out his agenda without getting to the unpopular parts he's been avoiding talking about like what are the tax breaks he's going to take to get the rates down. he's got to be on offense but not too much. it's hard. everything went right for george bush in 2000. gore was bad, he had orange make-up. he got in bush's face, that didn't go very well. bush overperformed, no foreign policy experience, he did very well. and the bush team outspun the gore people because they pushed their story line. and you went from, you know, minus five before the debate to plus a couple afterward and went on to win that disputed victory. but yes, romney can do it, he was a smart guy, good in most of the debates for the republicans. on the other hand, obama's pretty smart too and there's not much expectation to think he's going to screw up. >> what about, john, playing to that dull incompetent thing? he s
mitt romney's got to find precisely the right arm slot. aggression with the right amount of respect for a popular president. he's got to figure out a way to flush out his agenda without getting to the unpopular parts he's been avoiding talking about like what are the tax breaks he's going to take to get the rates down. he's got to be on offense but not too much. it's hard. everything went right for george bush in 2000. gore was bad, he had orange make-up. he got in bush's face, that didn't go...
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>> right. >> why not jump in and say, well, just a minute, governor romney. you just said i will pass a tax cut, but i will not pass a tax cut because if you do pass a tax cut, it's going to add to the deficit. so which is it? you know, you're contradicting yourself in the same sentence. and that sort of thing. and, again, one has to expect that the next debate will be different. but i thought there were 15 opportunities to jump in and say, gvovernor romney, that doesn't parse with what you just said, or that doesn't parse with what you said last week or, you know, gee, what about the 47%? but anyhow. that was the other night, and i guess we'll move on. >> i think we have a tendency to overthink these things in terms of the debate meant this, the debate meant that. most people aren't sitting around waiting for the fact checkers to show up. most people don't have paul krugman on speed dial to verify what was said or not said. but most people watching the debate know one thing about it. and they know that there's a lot of debate prep that goes on with both of t
>> right. >> why not jump in and say, well, just a minute, governor romney. you just said i will pass a tax cut, but i will not pass a tax cut because if you do pass a tax cut, it's going to add to the deficit. so which is it? you know, you're contradicting yourself in the same sentence. and that sort of thing. and, again, one has to expect that the next debate will be different. but i thought there were 15 opportunities to jump in and say, gvovernor romney, that doesn't parse with...